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threat part ii, redux
horror Posted 2003-08-15 17:45:50 by Jim Crawford
Mike Hawash has plead guilty to his charges recently, and I just wanted to make it clear that his confession doesn't change a goddamn thing. The situation of his incarceration was still illegal and immoral.

In fact, his confessing brings up a point that most people don't seem to be aware of: Criminal rights exist so that the police can't torture a confession out of a suspect. Yeah, there's a little more to it than that, but that's the gist of it. And the reason that incarceration and trial are required to be public is to prove that the police aren't torturing a confession out of a suspect.

This is why people are afraid of an unwatched government. If Authorities are not constantly proving that they're not being evil, how can you assume anything other than that they are? If you think you can trust a bureaucracy to refrain from some abuse of power because it's “wrong,” then you're a fool -- only individuals base their actions on that sort of judgement. A bureaucracy does whatever it thinks will cause it to win. The only reason it might refrain from doing something “wrong” is fear of a repercussion big enough to cause it to stop winning.

So when, as is happening with Mike Hawash, Authorities refuse to prove that they are doing nothing evil, you can bet they are, and that they think the repercussions would be very, very big.

Oh, and I haven't heard anything about Jose Padilla recently. I wonder what they've been doing with him?

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Jose Padilla
Posted by AdamMil on 2003-08-31 02:15:07
He's still in custody, and has been since May 8, 2002. He still hasn't been charged or allowed to speak with a lawyer. He's being held in a military prison, probably to keep journalists away, as not just anybody can enter a military base and I think prisoners aren't guaranteed visiting rights.
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Posted by AdamMil on 2003-08-31 02:31:34
And he's not the only one. There are hundreds more people being held without charge in Guantanamo Bay, many in cells measuring only 2 square meters. And I'm sure they're being treated real well.

But I guess Jose Padillo is "special" because he's one of the relatively few that are actual US citizens. I forget exactly, but I think the number of US citizens being held without charge may be as high as the low 20s. I found quite a few more than I had known about while Googling just now.

Many of these people were singled out by Bush himself. He's running this country like a faperbooing dictatorship.
Confession by torture
Posted by Sheetswa on 2003-11-01 02:48:58
We had a nice example of the unreliability of torture-driven confessions in our little neck of the woods when the Escondido PD took the 14 year old brother of murdered Stephanie Crowe and his friend into custody without access to their parents and legal counsel. After hours of intimidation they both confessed to the murder, never mind the psycho with a history of knife attacks walking the neighborhood with Stephanie's blood still on his shirt. Guess the cops thought he would be a harder nut to crack than a couple of scared boys.
re: threat part ii, redux
Posted by Anonymous (sugigrl) on 2004-02-16 18:13:31
I guess it was true though...

was sentenced to 7 years...
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