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responsibility
minutiae Posted 2004-04-15 01:50:35 by Jim Crawford
Seems like when the actual fighting starts, people who had volunteered for the U.S. military in order to get the college benefits suddenly become conscientious objectors in droves. Come on, guys. When you signed up for the military, it was your responsibility to know that you might be asked, to, you know, go to war.

In much the same way, if you decide to work for Wal*Mart then it's your responsibility to know that they'll probably lock you into the stores at night and that occasionally they'll beat you instead of paying you.

“Sorry, Bob. We're paying you in lashes this week. You can just take them down to the bank, though, and they'll give you a reasonable exchange rate.”

(The next day: “Whoops, did I say the bank? I meant your local fetish pornographer.”)

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walmart
Posted by AdamMil on 2004-04-16 01:41:17
Here's a more informative article regarding Wal*Mart:

http://www.theledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040118/ZNYT01/401180368/1001/BUSINESS
re: walmart
Posted by Anonymous (sugigrl) on 2004-04-16 17:32:11
or make you clock out and continue to work
re: walmart
Posted by Jim Crawford on 2004-04-16 18:17:50
Either of you guys have links to the bit about beating people instead of paying them? I want to read about that one!
re: walmart
Posted by Anonymous (sugigrl) on 2004-04-16 20:28:17
oh you were serious? I only remember reading about market clerks who were given depends and refused bathroom breaks
responsibility
Posted by Anonymous (Craig Timpany) on 2004-04-18 22:36:50
Coincidentally, both military service and Walmart are possible career choices if you have no marketable skills and yet have a pressing need to eat.

With options like these, is it meaningful to say this job was their choice, and therefore they shouldn't bitch when bad things happen to them because of it?
Depends?
Posted by AdamMil on 2004-04-19 02:44:56
 I only remember reading about market clerks who were given depends and refused bathroom breaks

Jesus, that's awful!
re: responsibility
Posted by Jim Crawford on 2004-04-19 08:13:59
 With options like these, is it meaningful to say this job was their choice, and therefore they shouldn't bitch when bad things happen to them because of it?


I've given a lot of the thought to the possible future where robots perform all manual labor and we're forced to eat the people with no marketable skills.

We're not there yet, though, and there are still a lot of options. I don't know how reasonable it is to expect people to do research on potential employers, but even something as simple as working for a local company rather than a multinational corporation is probably a safe bet.

Not teaching marketable skills is, in my opinion, one of the primary failings of the american school system (I don't know how it is in the rest of the world). There are people who are smart enough to be trusted to learn a trade on their own, there are people who will never learn a trade no matter how hard we try to teach them, and there are plenty of people who are smart enough to learn a trade but not smart enough to actually realize they should and put forth the effort.

The fix: separate the students instead of making everyone sit through a one-size-poorly-fits-all education. Unfortunately, figuring out in which box to put each student would require making honest qualitative judgements of each student's intellectual ability, and the parents would never stand for it.

 I only remember reading about market clerks who were given depends and refused bathroom breaks


Wouldn't the stench leave a bad impression on the customers? Or has Depend discovered a technological solution to that problem?
diapers
Posted by AdamMil on 2004-04-19 16:31:51
 
 I only remember reading about market clerks who were given depends and refused bathroom breaks
Wouldn't the stench leave a bad impression on the customers? Or has Depend discovered a technological solution to that problem?

Well, you know, diapers don't smell too badly unless you get within a few feet of them. And anyway, they were probably only issued just in case an employee had to go during his/her work shift. With luck and careful planning, the average employee wouldn't have to wet herself save but one or two days per month!
few feet
Posted by AdamMil on 2004-04-19 16:35:23
Well, I just checked my company-issued Depends, and they don't smell too badly unless I get my nose within about 12 inches or so.

So I think they could get away with it.
no feet
Posted by Anonymous (Craig Timpany) on 2004-04-20 17:07:30
 Wouldn't the stench leave a bad impression on the customers? Or has Depend discovered a technological solution to that problem?


The technological solution to Customers, brought to you by Depends!
Walmart
Posted by Anonymous on 2004-04-27 18:24:40
"...but even something as simple as working for a local company rather than a multinational corporation is probably a safe bet."

I saw this special on PBS on how Walmarts in small, midwestern towns were killing all of the local businesses. I would imagine that these local business's employees/owners were kinda forced into working for Walmart.

You all probably live in cities and take for granted the fact that in many places there really aren't a lot of options for employment.
re: Walmart
Posted by Jim Crawford on 2004-04-27 22:31:33
 I saw this special on PBS on how Walmarts in small, midwestern towns were killing all of the local businesses. I would imagine that these local business's employees/owners were kinda forced into working for Walmart.


That's a good point.

A coworker mentioned that Walmart coming to these towns is a good thing, because it brings in new jobs... but really, what it's doing is displacing existing jobs. And they're jobs that only the undead would want. Unemployed, I mean. The unemployed.

 You all probably live in cities and take for granted the fact that in many places there really aren't a lot of options for employment.


I admit I've never been forced to deal with this problem, but the obvious solution is to move to a city. Or apply for funding and go to college; we live in a marginally socialist society, you might as well take advantage of that.

Life just plain sucks in rural areas for a lot of reasons, but I think I can still get to sleep at night if I reserve my sympathy for people who can't move to a better place rather than those who choose not to.
military career
Posted by Jim Crawford on 2004-04-30 22:20:30
I saw my Uncle Peter recently, who is in the U.S. army. It came up in conversation that he'll probably be retiring in a few years. I'm not certain what his age is, but I estimate he'll be around 40.

And apparently they'll keep paying him half of his salary at the time he retired, which is not enough to live well, but definitely enough that he can support his family and still never have to work again.

I bring this up because given this information, it seems to me that the military is actually a pretty decent career choice. Assuming you have the stomach for it.

On a vaguely related note, army life has also given Peter some amusing mannerisms. For instance, he never says he likes or dislikes anything; he refers to things as good or bad for morale. Chili cheese fries: good for morale. 2-year-old Quinn trying to throw his hat into the rhinoceros habitat: bad for morale. He may well have adopted this deliberately, but that doesn't make it any less funny.
re: Walmart
Posted by Anonymous (DefHo) on 2004-05-08 00:06:45
"I admit I've never been forced to deal with this problem, but the obvious solution is to move to a city...

Life just plain sucks in rural areas for a lot of reasons, but I think I an still get to sleep at night if I reserve my sympathy for people who can't move to a better place rather than those who choose not to."

Ha! Easier said than done! Moving sucks! It's expensive, and a lot of work. Not to mention the fact that when you grow up in a small town and all of your friends and family still live there it's not easy to just pick up and start over even if you're sick of working at Walmart. But I do see your point.

Oh, and that last comment was mine, BTW. I forgot to log in. Narf!
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